I was reading through your Codex, namely the section on “The Genesis of Death”, and I was curious about your thoughts on something. Namely, it’s about the section where you look at the possibility of Jesus’s body being removed by Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus. Do you have any thoughts on the intentions of these two in removing Jesus in the first place? Do you think they were setting up the whole “Resurrection of Jesus” or that they had some other intention? I am interested in your opinion, as you’ve put a very interesting spin on the topic of the Hebrew and Christian religions.
This is the corner stone of Christianity, the Resurrection. If you are a Christian then the supernatural exists, so anything is possible. If you are not, its an extremely hard scenario to unravel. If we were to place a dead man today in a hewn rocky tomb and seal the entrance and then return three days later to find the tomb empty how would we go about determining why?
If someone today said a man had awoken from death and left the tomb he was interned in I am sure he would ignored. How does a dead body disappear from a sealed tomb?
If you are a Christian then you already have your answer in the Gospels. If you are not, then the only answer is that the body had to be taken out.
We must conclude it was put there in the first place. Firstly there was a real belief he had disappeared literally a few years after the event, and the tomb was empty so he must have been in it in it. What happened after with all the supposed witness statements is irrelevant for now.
It’s such a difficult conundrum if you are not one of the faithful. What is certain is that he died. He could not have survived the ordeal of his flogging and crucifixion. What is also certain is that he was placed in the tomb of Joseph. It is also certain that the tomb was sealed with a huge stone and that the tomb was guarded. Most Christians will whole heartedly agree with me on those crucial points.
So what happened to the corpse?
I can only find one answer and that is the hidden exit theory and as this was a predestined place of internment provide by a more than likely disciple [I believe Joseph and Nicodemus were adherents of Jesus’s teachings] it is a plausible explanation.
We must view the above without any real influences or post resurrection Christian Doctrine because they did not exist at the time. What we had was a few followers of a wandering Galilean who was far from home and a virtual stranger in Jerusalem. He was Killed by judicial procedure for being a trouble maker and if it wasn’t for the intervention of Joseph, his corpse would have been cast into the waste ground known as Gehenna. I doubt his Galilean disciples would have dared ask for his corpse and neither would they have been granted it.
So, we have a few people that are visiting a huge metropolis and their leader has been crucified. He has a benefactor who is a reasonably wealthy Jew who has offered a tomb to lay to rest this mystic healer. [this was not unusual as the Gospel narratives lean towards many wealthy beneficiaries who housed or followed his teachings]
Now to the pivotal point of the question, “Do you think they were setting up the whole “Resurrection of Jesus” or that they had some other intention? In answer to this I would say Joseph and Nicodemus ensured the body was removed so that the illusion of a resurrection would
give more credence to the teachings of their master. I doubt if they would have ever envisaged a new world order springing from their endeavors. It was just a small little tomb with a less than revered rabbi who had a following of mostly dubious low life’s and poverty stricken folk. It was for the Sadducees who had hounded their master to his end that this would have been set up to distress. To have some revenge and the final twist to a story no one at the time would have ever thought possible would effect the world in times to come. Most of his followers would have not known about this deception and it was they who were in awe at his resurrection and it is they who would have spread the tale to others.
The key to understanding these events is to place your self in that time frame and that is extremely hard as you need to erase all the hundreds of years of Christology, all the Christian influences that have shaped the very world we exist in now. So, with the body taken via an inside alternative exit no one knows about, where is the body taken? To Galilee I would cite as the most likely place to be re-entombed and forgotten about. His Jerusalem sect consisting of Joseph and Nicodemus, his brother James and his disciples would continue his work with the added sustenance of his resurrection that again at the time would have seemed miraculous for sure, but not overly mind blowing to the local populace. It would have been a curiosity, a cause for trivial debate. It was Paul who worked his sales pitch and sold it to the world.
Just to say that I’m finding the codex you have written quite interesting. Am only onto “The Apocalypse Of Lazares” at the moment, well just finished that. I have read Joshua and Judges over the last couple of days. I just have a few questions to ask you which I hope you will be kind enough to answer:-
1…You say that the Old Testament is a book of the Jews. Do you think that there are any Pagan elements within its pages? I ask this question as people such as Finkelstein and Silberman have claimed that recent excavations (in search of ancient Israel) have found more Canaanite archeology. They have subsequently claimed that the “real” ancient Israel was not Jewish and kings like David were (at best) pagan tribal lords.
2…Do you believe that Jehovah is Yahweh and that Yahweh began life as a pagan tribal God who people worshiped in order to bring good weather for their crops?
3…What are your thoughts on Zionism and the whole Israel-Palestine conflict in general?
1. The Old Testament is unequivocally Jewish to the point that it contains their laws, history and religious customs. Reaching out from this quite obvious first glance, we can certainly trace adaptions and blatant usage of older pagan cultures. There are traces of the Canaanite storm-god Baal and Amorite customs ingrained in the evolution of the old testament The Flood story is almost certainly taken from the Sumerian flood myth in the Epic of Gilgamesh. As in Genesis, the Sumerians’ world is formed out of the watery abyss and the heavens and earth are divinely separated from one another by a solid dome. The second chapter of Genesis introduces the paradise Eden, a place which is similar to the Sumerian Dilmun.
Move onwards and you could cite the Greek creation myth to be an adaption of the Hebrew creation myth, so religions in general are rarely unique doctrines free of outside influences.
I would say David and Solomon were Jewish kings depicting an age not found since or prior that embraced a true nationally identity, and one the Jews are vehemently proud of. Theories abound about many ancient events but until concrete proof is attained, we are best settling for whats more likely.
2. This is possible. But the very names “JEHOVAH” and “YAHWEH” both came from the same root. Both words are an erroneous transliteration. In short, The four Canaanite-Hebrew letters Yodh, Heh, Waw, Heh are correctly transliterated in Roman (Latin) letters as YHWH and erroneously transliterated as JHVH. The erroneous four letter Romanized (Latinized) version, JHVH was rendered as “JEHOVAH”. Its a long complex explanation that needs many a page on its own. The nature of Gods in ancient times was mainly to hold people together. To bind their many paths into one. With the 12 tribes of the Hebrew nomadic people it was probably hard to find unity against the surrounding hostiles. 12 tribal leaders arguing who is to rule them all, becomes less of a problem when they can unite under one God. How we perceive paganism today was not so much of an issue in very ancient times and the formation of the monotheistic system the Hebrews adopted was a long process beginning with the old polytheism of even more antiquated times that we really have little data on.
3. Now that’s a double barreled question with many answers depending on your point of view. To be an Arab dwelling in Palestine prior to 1947 and the have your whole way of life ripped apart by the reformation of the Jewish state is one side of the coin. The other, to be a Jew and finally have your promised land back regardless of the consequences is the other. Maybe Hitler inadvertently could have solve this Jewish problem by offering them their land back in the first place and i am positive all Jews would have gladly flooded to their root source. It is the guilt of a modern world that the post world war II complexities of the Arab – Jewish collision was born. There is no answer to inbred hatred and Zionism is as guilty as lets say, the P.LO. Or even the I.R.A, of this preservation of self indulgence that permits hatred to exist within the veiled guise of nationalism.
It has always confused me me why and when the gospels appeared on the stage of History. It seems they dictate a tale of no relevance at the time due to their late appearances on the stage of history. Their actual writers are enigmas and their contents far from reliable. Why were these records so late in appearing?
Jesus perished in 33AD, and the first Gospel to appear was reputedly Marks in 60-70AD. Thereafter, Mathew and Lukes around 80-90AD, and lastly, Johns in late 90AD. So we have 30 years of oral tradition relating to the life of Jesus, or written records that remain unknown and undocumented. So who would have preserved these records? Adherents to Jesus in his Jerusalem sect initially, and then the Pauline gentile strain would have taken them over. This is where the real Jesus and the Jesus we are served up with become confusing. The earliest traditions were a series of sayings later called “Q” or Quelle which is a German word for source. It makes sense that these sayings were repeated immediately after Christ’s death and formed the foundation of the philosophy of Christianity. Dates of 40-80 have been offered for these are not totally confirmed.
The earliest Christian writings were the writings of Paul, The epistle to the Thessalonians is certainly one of the most ancient Christian documents in existence. It is typically dated c. 50/51 CE. It is universally assented to be an authentic letter of Paul. This reduces the time scale between documented texts to 20 years. Strangely, Paul does not mention anything about Jesus
Paul’s conversion which is generally agreed to be about 33-36 AD and the Pauline letters commencing in the 50’s you see a migration towards the documentation of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Why were these writings not evident a few years after the Death of Jesus and why the sporadic appearances? The answer rests in the fact that Jesus was really not important during his life time and death. His importance was part of a momentum of religious doctrine instigated by men who never knew him, but derived their information from those who did. The truth is woven amongst the fabrication.
Jesus certainly existed and he lived and did for his own beliefs that related to his own people. By whom and why were his teachings saved from the dust of time?
Did Jesus not fulfill the Old Testament prophecies? Does this not make him the true living son of God?
Jesus did not fit the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament scriptures. He never attempted to re-establish the national kingdom of Israel as a nation, making it the powerful center of the world. Jesus never achieved this and he never lived to see any such dream materialize. If he was the Messiah these things would have come to pass. On the other hand, the concept of a messiah as savior and redeemer of the world is a Christian concept. Jews never gave a care for the Gentiles.
Judaism has always maintained a fundamental belief in a Messianic figure. Since the concept of a Messiah is one that was given by God to the Jews, Jewish tradition is best qualified to describe and recognize the expected Messiah. This tradition has its foundation in numerous biblical references, many of which are cited below. Judaism understands the Messiah to be a human being (with no connotation of deity or divinity) who will bring about certain changes in the world and who must fulfill certain specific criteria before being acknowledged as the Messiah.
These specific criteria are as follows:
1) He must be Jewish. (Deuteronomy 17:15, Numbers 24:17)
2) He must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct male descendent of both King David (I Chronicles 17:11, Psalm 89:29-38, Jeremiah 33:17, II Samuel 7:12-16) and King Solomon. (I Chronicles 22:10, II Chronicles 7:18)
3) He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 11:12)
4) He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1)
5) He must bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3)
6) He must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one G-d. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9)
All of these criteria for the Messiah are best stated in the book of Ezekiel chapter 37:24-28:
The Bible says that he will:
1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore.” (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: “God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One” (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be “The Messiah.”
As we can safely confirm, the Jews are pretty much fucked up and their whole existence has hung on a thread since Jesus was brutalized 2000 years ago. Although Jesus had nothing to do with his peoples plight, the religion that spawned from his being certainly never helped.
There is no world peace, and there is not likely to be any.
Indeed the Jewish religion has embraced the world but it left its own people behind. [nice God don’t you think?]
There is an old saying that relates to prophecies and the New Testaments selective plucking of so called Messianic prophecies to bolster the divinity of their borrowed Jewish man-god.
“While traveling through a forest, a person noticed a circle marked on a tree with an arrow shot perfectly into the center. A few yards away he noticed several more targets, each with arrows in the center. Later, he met the talented archer and he asked him, “How did you become such an expert that you always get your arrows into the center of the bull’s-eye?” “It’s not difficult,” responded the archer, “First I shoot the arrow and then I draw the circle.”